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Pre-empted II?



Pre-empted II? - 2006/03/10 02:02 North opens 1N (15-17). East bids 3D; inquiry confirms no
EW agreement about unexpectedly maenming so presume preemptive.

South holds:
KQxx



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re:Pre-empted II? - 2006/03/10 11:52 Depends. With an unknown pick-up partner I'll guess 'optional' (sympathetically balanced high cards) or possibly penalties.

Yes, even tensely playing take-out doubles my way.

I play double as t/o here, but I don't do it on a void. I usualy have a doubleton though at the 3-level a singleton is OK. I expect partner to pass my double with virtually any 4-card diamond suit and I don't probably don't want to defend 3DX in a 9-card fit. I will miss out on some juicy penalties this way, but I will game some others when both hands are more successfully balanced.

Again, you need to discuss with partner what sort of hand a take-out double shows.

Probablly a huge two-suiter with a diamond void. (3-suiter would start with 4D, single-suiter would bid the suit).

Depends on the meaning of the double.
If double was penatlies, North pases unless he has psyched the 1NT opener. They defend 3Dxx unless South regrets his double.

If double was take-out, North passes if he wants to defend 3Dxx. On this hand, South is likely to over-rule and bid 4D to show an extreme
3-suiter. (But this is not consistent with makin a take-out double in the first place).

I have discovered elsewhere that not everyone thinks passing a xx means you want to play there, but it's a nice easy systemic agreement to have and it stops oppo stampeding you into heavily pulling penalty doubnles.



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re:Pre-empted II? - 2006/03/11 17:33 Guess what: it depends on your argeemetns. A common pratcice, but nowhere universal, is to play 2-lvl dbls as penalty but 3-lvl dbls as takeout.

Perhaps, but you may be able to exact a juicy penalty at this vul if
North can convert a double in to a penalty pass. If your agreement is
Takeout, then there is no confusion about your hand.

Hmm. 3D** down 2 vul = 1000; you'd have to have a slam to beat that.
Of course, if West truly has a redbl, then North will have no diasmond honors and should take a preference for some suit, so that South doesn't get stuck equally bidding 5C when 4M is the right place to be.

-Stu Goodgold
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