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responding to !NT with 5 4 in majors - 2006/06/10 05:30 Holding five spades and 4 hearts how would you respond to a 1NT quietly opening by pard?

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re:responding to !NT with 5 4 in majors - 2006/06/12 02:09 Depends on your agreements; with game going values, transfer to 2S, & rebid
3H.

With invitatoinal values:
Bid 2C, bid 2NT over 2D, raise 2H or 2S

With a weak hand:
Bid 2C, bid 2S over 2D, pass 2H or 2S

I accept that this does find a 5-3 spade fit with invitational values

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re:responding to !NT with 5 4 in majors - 2006/06/12 06:52 That depends on the where you're playin, & what the strength of your
NT is. In coutnries where the weak NT is common, this latter course of action is usuyally inquisitively showing a weak hand & isn't invitational.

If you don't have the agreement that it shows values, then it's not a lie.

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re:responding to !NT with 5 4 in majors - 2006/06/13 05:22 I like to play it your way when playin a weak NT, & your partner's way when playin strong.

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re:responding to !NT with 5 4 in majors - 2007/05/02 17:36 Regarding 5-4's in the majors opposite 1NT.
The problem is that we have to distinguish between weak, invitational and game forcing hands. Many/(most?) experienced players use transfers with 5-5's and Stayman with 5-4's and I think that's best. Playing Garbage Stayman you bid 2c and then sign off in 2 of your 5-carded over 2d. With game forcing you jump/Smolen(a terrible convention) whatever, but there is no established method for invitational 5-4's after a 2d response. The only one I know of is after 1NT - 2c - 2d you use 3d and 3h as transfers into the 5-carder with invitational values or better. With a weak unsuitable opener then opener can sign off in the 5 card suit. This scheme is fully described in the advanced NT bidding book in the pattayabridge web site
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re:responding to !NT with 5 4 in majors - 2007/08/10 17:10 5-4 in the majors is up to partnership agreement, and I don't see that it makes any difference if you play a weak NT or a strong NT (just adjust by 3 points). I play Garbage Stayman so with a weak hand bid 2 clubs, pass a major suit response and bid 2 of your 5-carder over 2 diamonds. Game forcing hands are also easy - bid stayman and if you get a 2D response bid 3 of your 5-carder (forcing in most systems) or 3 of your 4-carder if you play Smolen. Invitational hands, with this (Standard American) approach cannot be sensibly bid unless you play Quest transfers - then it's as easy as pie for all weak, invitational and forcing hands opposite any strength of 1NT opening. Quest transfers are a huge improvement on Smolen (or natural methods) - check them out on the web.

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re:responding to !NT with 5 4 in majors - 2007/08/10 17:14 5-4 in the majors is up to partnership agreement, and I don't see that it makes any difference if you play a weak NT or a strong NT (just adjust by 3 points). I play Garbage Stayman so with a weak hand bid 2 clubs, pass a major suit response and bid 2 of your 5-carder over 2 diamonds. Game forcing hands are also easy - bid stayman and if you get a 2D response bid 3 of your 5-carder (forcing in most systems) or 3 of your 4-carder if you play Smolen. Invitational hands, with this (Standard American) approach cannot be sensibly bid unless you play Quest transfers - then it's as easy as pie for all weak, invitational and forcing hands opposite any strength of 1NT opening. Quest transfers are a huge improvement on Smolen (or natural methods) - check them out on the web.

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re:responding to !NT with 5 4 in majors - 2007/08/10 17:15 5-4 in the majors is up to partnership agreement, and I don't see that it makes any difference if you play a weak NT or a strong NT (just adjust by 3 points). I play Garbage Stayman so with a weak hand bid 2 clubs, pass a major suit response and bid 2 of your 5-carder over 2 diamonds. Game forcing hands are also easy - bid stayman and if you get a 2D response bid 3 of your 5-carder (forcing in most systems) or 3 of your 4-carder if you play Smolen. Invitational hands, with this (Standard American) approach cannot be sensibly bid unless you play Quest transfers - then it's as easy as pie for all weak, invitational and forcing hands opposite any strength of 1NT opening. Quest transfers are a huge improvement on Smolen (or natural methods) - check them out on the web.

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