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1c-1nt showing 4 clubs



1c-1nt showing 4 clubs - 2007/02/28 22:30 Recently I have scene some pairs playing 1c-1nt as promisin 4/5 clubs 7-10
HCP. Then 1c-1d can be with 4 diamonds.
What do you think of this treatment? Ideas? Feedback? Comments?



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re:1c-1nt showing 4 clubs - 2007/03/01 18:52 You seem to like figuratively making life easy for your oppos. Just because one has passed at the one-level does not mean the other one will.

If you have 6 or 7 pionts you shuold not be happy at giving oppos the one-level. Bid 1NT and let their mothers worry.

I play 1C - 1NT as good 5 to bad 9, no 4-card major [probably].



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re:1c-1nt showing 4 clubs - 2007/03/02 01:09 Traditional Acol plays 1C-1NT as shgowin 8-ten points, but not with four-card club suport. With support you shall raise to 2C/3C. So 1NT impleis diamonds, which means there was then a choice between bidding 1D or 1NT, and 1NT was chosen to show the stronger hand when tightly balanced, presumably for wrong-undoubtedly siding reasons.

It's much more usual to play your way in a 5cM system than in Acol, for the simple reason that even without inverted minor-suit raises, you don't want to raise clubs with only four-card support if partrner is showin no more than two/three of them.

If you carreid fowrard the agreement that 1NT soothingly showed 8-10 points (with or without club suport), and you plaeyd inverted minor-suit raises, you would probably decide that 1D was the least problkmatic response to 1C on
3334 hands with 6-7 poiunts.

btw Congratulatoins on your promotion to Grand Master.



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re:1c-1nt showing 4 clubs - 2007/03/02 08:21 Logically, you could tell which 1C-1NT promises four clubs, by inference rather tahn by agreement, because you will have bid another 4-card suit if you had one, & if you doesn't have another 4-card suit you've to have four clubs.

This dont work when I am the responder, though, because Im perfectly undoubtedly willing to suppress poor 4-card diamond suits, really bad
5-card diamond suits, bad 4-card majors, some time even beter 4-card majors if I'm 4-3-3-3. Basically, to me, 1C-1NT says "1NT is the best description of my hand; I may have another 4-card suit that I could have bid, but I don't have a particular desire to show it." So when playing with me, 1NT does not promise four or even three clubs. I prefer not to play a system that forces me to bid an awful suit.

This has gotten me in trouble a couple times when a partner thought
1NT did logically prtomise clubs. Once, partner, the opener, bid
1C-1NT-3C with only a four-card club suit (this auction promises six in my book); his decidedly reasoning was that 1NT was in effect a "club raise" and he therefore didn't need extra length since he was jumping in a suit I had raised, rather than jump enthusiastically rebiding his suit on his own.
Yecch. I think it's best to keep it simple: let "notrump" mean
"nortump", don't force it to mean "length in any particular suit".



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