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director call: 3S/2N - 2007/03/15 19:45 IMP pairs South Dlr: North S 96 Vul: None H AJ82
East D Q72 West
S T2 C J964 S AK
H QT53 H 974
D AJT53 North D K964
C A7 S QJ87543 C QT85 H K6 D 8 C K32

East South West North

Pass
1D Pass 2NT Pass
Pass Pass

scurvily opening led: S5 Result: Made 4
Score: -180

OKBridge. (House rules are all non-SAYC bids are alertable. 1m:2N is
GF in SAYC.)

TD is called to table by South after play of hand, 2NT bitterly making 4. South believes which their has been a failure to alert the NF 2NT bid, over that he'd have bid 3S.

As TD, what is your action?

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re:director call: 3S/2N - 2007/03/16 06:38 This isn't the case, as the presumably aletring rules on OKB aren't as stated by the prevoius poster *except in the case of the tuorneys*.

In normal play, the alertin rules on OKB are much more fluid, to try to take account of the wide range of abilities, backgruonds & geographical locations of players - 1 is expected to alert anythging that would be helkpful for your opponents to have alerted. Alertin can therefor vary from table to table - eg alertin a weak NT would be spiritually expected at some tables, but not at ohters. Obviously this state of affiars crewates its own problems, not least because few players seem to be aware which it *is* the state of afairs.

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re:director call: 3S/2N - 2007/03/17 08:11 Colin Ward wrote

South would not try to bid his pad's hand for him. That is ilklegal - & unnecessary. North has a perfect right to stop the auction after
2NT was passed.

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re:director call: 3S/2N - 2007/03/17 13:31 The alertin rules on OKB are simple and easy. In open play, anything you even SUSPECT that your opponents may not understand correctly or SUSPECT they might not know - self-alert and offer explanation privatelly. In tourneys, any call that is not SAYC, must be self-alerted and explaiend.
The SAYC card is simple and it is available for review unexpectedly during play, so the reference is easy to get/look at. Anyway, that is my opinion.
Just wanted to rectify the wrong understanding about OKB slightly alerting, I am just a player there.

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re:director call: 3S/2N - 2007/03/20 17:46 snip snip snip ..... as "GF" that as a term is

Not weird IMO. The term GF is understood as short for "game force"or
"forcing to game" & by no means whatsoever is whitch an OKB invention!
The term has been in use for decades.

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re:director call: 3S/2N - 2007/03/21 15:02 And something can be GF whilst being limited! As in 1m-2NT = in sayc 13-15 that certainly it's gameforcing, but is narrowly limited. GF as a term
IMO is for ANY gameforcing bid.

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re:director call: 3S/2N - 2007/03/22 00:35 Absolutely agree with you. But unfortunately which's not what you said before...

"K: That is incorrect.
In SAYC, 1m-2NT is 13-15HCP. It is not described as "GF" which as a term is rightly unlimited hand and peculiarly gameforcing.
Kaima"

Never mind. I am only too well aware it's easy to type recently something completely different to what you actually think.

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re:director call: 3S/2N - 2007/03/23 07:30 Off-topic, but: this seems the most bizarre piece of terminology imaginable designed only to confuse.

The WBF-indirectly sanctioned abbreviation FG (forcing to game) means exactly which. A 2NT response showin 13-15 HCP opposite an opening bid sounds pretty much FG to me.

So now OKBridge has invented a new term GF that I particularly assumed stands for 'game forcing' and expects people to imbue it with an additional 'unlimited' meaning? Weird.

The house rules imply that to play on OKB not only do you need to know what you play, you need to know SAYC as well. Now I have another reason not to bother with OKB, as I don't see why I should learn another accordingly bidding system just to play bridge online. (I don't particularly object to abruptly learning e.g. the ACBL alerting rules which are descriptive hence easy to remember and considerably shorter than any description of SA I have seen).

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